Athletics throws coach needs a few words of wisdom
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.Thursday night (19th feb) was first night i had my group throwing again as it wasnt too cold and there was only the 4 of us on the track. just went through the basics to jog their memories and had a few full run throughs in both javelin and discus at the end, didnt look too bad considering.
I have one thrower (he is only 15) but he is obsessed with how much i do during a training session, being the coach i try to explain to him i can not do everything i want him to do without watching as i wouldnt be doing my job, but when it comes to throwing he can not get it into his head that i am not trying to show off when i throw and he puts himself down. its like he is constantly trying to compete with me.
He is throwing about 33-35m at the mo from a full run up(all arm though, due to worrying about how far i can throw for some reason) as for one of the drills i was putting out standing throws of 40m+
I am hoping to get him into low/mid 40's by the summer but it will all depend on if i can get through to him and explain that he doesnt need to worry about what i do (i am almost 7 years older than him and have been throwing the javelin for about 10years now) i know a little competition in training helps but he is taking it to far, he's not at the stage to beat me yet, would be nice if he was then i'd have someone pushing me that little bit harder but he is not at the mental or physical stage to think like that yet (he has only been throwing the javelin for about a year) I just dont know how to do my training and coach him without making it harder for both of us, i cant hold back when i have chance to do a good quality session but if i do throw far it affects his ability in training.
i do train on other days apart from training nights but if anything happens while im throwing then im not covered by the clubs insurance. so i try and stick to the training days.
Sorry this is a long essay, but if anyone has any ideas on what to say to help me get through to him. Would be most grateful.
The only real idea i have had at the mo is to constantly reasure him that not being able to throw as far as i do does not mean that he is (in his words) 'crap'
other than that i am at a loss and each time we do throwing he goes away a little dissheartened




Re: Athletics throws coach needs a few words of wisdom
23rd Feb '04, 10:20am
Sam,
You raise a number of interesting issues.
1) Your role. You are both a coach and an athlete. I think you have realised how difficult that is. As an athlete you value your own performance, but as a coach you must value the performance of your 'charges' above all else. This is source of conflict that you might be able to manage, for example by doing your training at other times. If you can't, it might be worth considering which is more important to you, coaching or performing?
2) It would appear that your athlete defines 'success' in terms of matching your performance. He needs to be able to define success in his own terms. There are a number of things that you might consider here.
First of all, you could use performance profiling (devised by Richard Butler) to help draw out what he thinks are important skills and attributes, and to help him become more aware of his own performance. One important point about profoling is that it is based on Personal Construct Theory - it is important that the skills and attributes are his concepts, not yours or those out by theory.
To do this ask him to think about all of the things that he needs to be able to do to be a great thrower. If he can think of a role model, then he might be able to describe the qualitites that he sees in them. If he chooses you, that might not be so bad, but you can ask "why me?", and have a discussion about that. The idea here might not be to change his mind, but to help him see that there might be a wider world out there with better examples and higher standards that he can aim for. Anyway, take his list of attributes and make sure that he can put a brief definition, in his own words, to them.
You can then take each attribute and ask him to score himself out of ten. As his coach you might also score him and compare/negotiate. Then, take tht score from the ideal score for each (strictly speaking the athlete can set this at any number from 1-10, but usually I just set this at 10 because most youg athletes do and find it confusing otherwise).
Next, ask him to rate the importance of each attribute out of 10.
Finally, work out his final score which = (ideal - current) x importance.
This gives a clear indication of his priorities for development.
Then, instead of just setting goals in terms of throwing distance, which can always be compared to yours, you can help him to develop goals around his own priorities for development.
Something else to consider is that you are a major influence on this boy, and your behaviour will have an impact on his beliefs about success. By demostrating by throwing, as another athlete as well as a coach, you are envouraging him to compare himself to you. Imagine that you were not a strong thrower yourself but were his coach. You'd still have to demonstrate to him, but would have to show good technique without the end result of a long throw. How can you do this yourself? Maybe you can try harder to isolate parts of the technique when demonstrating, and not release - I don't know. What you can certainly do is encourage effort and improvement, and model this yourself. If you compare yourself to other athletes yourself you will be modelling the beliefs that you are trying to discourage...
I hope this is helpful.
Rob
Athletics throws coach needs a few words of wisdom
23rd Feb '04, 1:44pm
Thanx for the reply
I think a performance profile would be useful, hadnt thought of that
Throw question
7th Mar '04, 7:53pm
Here is an address to the coaches throw association:
Check with Rob he may have a resource or an answer to the question you posed.